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Poster: reviewr Date: Aug 30, 2013 8:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: White Rabbbit

Just listening to London 5/26/72. Someone says "white rabbit" just before Sugar Magnolia starts. The other day I was listening to the '73 Watkins Glenn sound check. I think someone said "white rabbit" then also (don't know how to confirm this without re-listening to the whole thing).

If I'm right ("white rabbit" in both shows), what's the significance, and how often did that happen? I know Garcia was involved on the first Airplane album, but it seems like there may be more to it.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 31, 2013 6:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

it was probably some jerk thinking he's funny by shouting white rabbit at a dead show...hahaha...maybe it was the same knucklehead at both shows...by the way, Airplane sucked/

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 1, 2013 1:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

yes yes, you've thrown that 'Airplane sucked' statement at the forum a few years back i think, so i have to assume it's something you really feel; i'm just going to have to assume it's something personal you have against the band rather than the music itself ... JA's records are immensely more listenable to anything studio recorded that the GD released, and musically they could (and did) shine brightly; i will say, the band had too many singers, and some of their live sets seem all over the place, kinda sloppy at times, but when they were on, when they had 'It' working for them, they were brilliant, and few equalled or surpassed them

i'm going to go with Althea on this one, and assume you meant the 'Starship'

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Sep 1, 2013 6:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

live Airplane was slightly more listenable than the Holding Company...they had nothing on the Dead for live jamming...the records were interesting and perhaps were better than the Dead's 60s output, but they have nothing that came close to AB or WD...they never evolved, instead they metamorphasized into desperately bad configurations such as Starship...saying they "sucked" is perhaps me just being a dick, but really ,they bore me to tears with their mediocrity...Grace Slick was the reason for their success...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 1, 2013 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

i suppose if you listen to JA expecting the same experience as listening to the GD, one is bound to be disappointed, because while they both were born out of the same environment, both evolved quite differently, as you know of course, i don't need to tell you ... so of course they don't have the same degree (not even close) for live jamming the GD had, but then again, neither did (or do) a zillion great bands, however, the JA certainly could jam at times, and while i can't pull any particular show out of my head to give you an example (i do not possess your amazing talent in that regard), trust me when i say stellar jams do exist with the JA

as for Grace being the reason for their success, i won't argue with you, as you may very well be correct, but i hope you don't mean that her physical appeal was the reason behind the band's success, because no matter her physical attributes, she sure as hell could sing ... 100 times better than DG i'll have you know

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 1, 2013 10:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

They could really cook on plastic fantastic; the speed they achieve is on par w Ten Yrs After, depending on the show...

I do regret that PaulK could be a REAL jerk, on a level w John Lennon in my view (ie, the pseudo political apathetic philosophy BS)...the DEAD always surpassed the masses of the SF scene for their ultimately more honest and sincere "why would you possibly think I have ANYTHING of real value to contribute to THAT?!" stance.

So, I tend to think JA gets a bad rap due to that stuff, and as strat mentions, they did morph into one of the all time cliché/parody/caricatures of themselves that one can imagine (having seen them many times in the 70s...yuck; except for GGPk w the DEAD in 75).

I do think that SuPillow is RIGHT there w AB/WD...

And, what JC/JK did w HotTuna shows they knew what they were doing--if not always up to my standards and appeal of the DEAD.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 1, 2013 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

i do wonder if the whole 'cliché/parody/caricatures of themselves' that they morphed into that you mention contributed to JA's negative view today ... i mean, i didn't grow up alongside JA, i only got into them around '79\'80 (after seeing JS in concert actually), but there is no doubting their appeal, JA's back catalogue still sells fairly well i believe ... but lord, what an embarrasment JS, etc. was

true, the pseudo-political schtick is BS, never cared a bit for that amateurish crap, unless you lived it as you sang it, which is rare indeed, if even possible

but at the end of the day, i listen to JA quite a lot in comparison to other bands from that era

anyway, GD v. JA, whatever, everyone knows that the Mamas & Papas were the real musical geniuses of that time period...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 1, 2013 11:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

Falling back to views of my two older brothers, they always talked about Moby Grape & JA as the two best shows to see in SF from 67-68, assuming CREAM weren't in town...har, har; but truly).

I think that Today is one of the best love songs ever...MartyB was fantastic w that and many others; Grace was great, and beautiful, as shown here...

Attachment: Grace_Slick.jpg
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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 1, 2013 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

'Today' is a wonderful song ... JA had so many excellent songs, songs that never became 'hits', but nevertheless were brilliant. I know 'Wooden Ships' is largely a DC-written song, but wow, what a song it is. I could put together a triple LPs worth of my favourite JA songs, quite easily. I can't say that about very many bands at all, and probably none that had a career the shortened length that JA did. JA had too much talent, all fighting (and in-fighting) for position and attention, blah blah.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 1, 2013 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

Life is change
How it differs from the rocks
(Unless you're JA, in which case you sadly change into Jefferson Asphalt)

Hope that would be on your triple LP. Well, the original version, without my addition :-)

Like many people, I was very into JA before I found GD. And for me, they hold up wonderfully. I don't honestly care if they jam like the GD. They don't have to. That's not the only possible good thing about music.

And of course Grace was a big part of their success. A fantastic band is fortunate magic. You need all the ingredients, the eyes of newts and toes of frogs, or it just won't cast the same spell. Sometimes it'll cast an almost-as-good spell, or a weaker spell, or sometimes it'll just fall kathump. A la Jefferson Asphalt. Or Wings. Or Lennon post-Beatles ...

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2013-09-02 02:37:13

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 1, 2013 7:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

I prefer John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band to most Beatles albums.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jKZEvwKzj8

I told you before, stay away from my door
Don't give me that brother, brother, brother, brother
The freaks on the phone, won't leave me alone
So don't give me that brother, brother, brother, brother No!
I, I found out!
I, I found out!
Now that I showed you what I been through
Don't take nobody's word what you can do
There ain't no Jesus gonna come from the sky
Now that I found out I know I can cry
I, I found out!
I, I found out!
Some of you sitting there with your cock in your hand
Don't get you nowhere don't make you a man
I heard something 'bout my Ma and my Pa
They didn't want me so they made me a star
I, I found out!
I, I found out!
Old Hare Krishna got nothing on you
Just keep you crazy with nothing to do
Keep you occupied with pie in the sky
There ain't no guru who can see through your eyes
I, I found out!
I, I found out!
I seen through junkies, I been through it all
I seen religion from Jesus to Paul
Don't let them fool you with dope and cocaine
No one can harm you, feel your own pain
I, I found out!
I, I found this out!
I, I found out!

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Sep 2, 2013 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

Didn't a certain Mr. Garcia play the delicate lead line on 'Today?' It seems too in tune to be Jorma... lol

and Hallo.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 2, 2013 12:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

Oh yeah, that's Jerry...hallo back at ya.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Sep 2, 2013 12:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

It's a bit like his riff in 'Morning Dew,' in a way...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 2, 2013 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

ah, never thought about it--but yeah, I can defn see (hear) that...same "delicate" touch/tone thingy too...(note [no pun intended] my use of sophisticated musical terminology there, to avoid standing out).

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Sep 1, 2013 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

Grace could headline a band, something Donna isn't in the same league, I've heard a few good off key Slick shrieks, so she's not exactly beyond reproach, but she had an authoritative and narrative style that captured the vibe completely...her being attractive also contributed, it would be naive to suggest otherwise, I would also believe many young females were drawn to the Doors because of Morrisons looks and not always because of the groovy lyrics of 20th Century Fox...I should also give SPillow another listen...it's been 20 years...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 1, 2013 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

i agree re: Grace's attraction helping sales, getting fans to shows, etc., no doubt in fact ... i only wanted to point out that she had the vocals to back it up, and maybe just being a pin-up on stage might not have been enough to launch JA toward popular appeal ... unlike today, where you can have the looks, be completely untalented otherwise, and still sell millions

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Poster: William Tell Date: Sep 1, 2013 1:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

Oh yeah! Recall that HS garage band I sent you tapes of? The ones I was a roadie for during 73-76? Wooden Ships was the first song I ever heard them do...loved it; was a regular in their rotation.

We used to talk about the different versions a lot, and we ALL loved the one by JA. That's a tune that regardless of their various stances on social/political issues always resonated, always seemed appropriate...

Thanks for bringing back that memory, Arb! That is one great song...especially in this very "small world" situation for me with the DEAD cover band friends and family that I grew up with...that song had significance on so many levels as a result. They even played it to our entire HS during a lunch time concert in the fall of 1973, and the place just went wild (well, as wild as a HS can go during the Patty Hearst & SLA days--don't ask why that comes to mind as I write this! Must be "Drunk History" in which K Wigg [sp?] plays Patty, and has the all time great line for Bay Area kids, saying, "my new name is Tanya, now get the fuck down!" when entering the bank).

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Poster: Chinacat101 Date: Sep 2, 2013 6:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

I agree..."she sure as hell could sing"...to wit, me and my buddies got to Altamont early in the morning b/4 it got light and were able to squat very near the stage...when the Angels (actually the pledges) began to beat up on Marty Balin and all hell broke loose onstage, Grace grabbed the mike and began chanting " Get fucked up but don't fuck'em around"...she continued this chant until Kantner and Dryden gathered themselves up and began improvising behind her chanting...soon Jorma joined in and Balin picked himself up off the stage floor and the Angels retreated from the stage...this awesomeness did not make into the Maysles' brothers film

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Aug 31, 2013 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

I was at a Los Lobos concert at the Bijou in Knoxville in the early 1990s when some LOUD & obnoxious drunk redneck down front (no it wasn't me- I was in the balcony) yelled, "Purple Haze" while they were tuning between songs. They went straight into it without a pause. It was beautiful on several levels.

The guy was silent for the rest of the show....

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Aug 31, 2013 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

You're confused. You meant to say Starship.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 31, 2013 11:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re:Utter shit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzHBr0ndKus

hunter was right....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9IV-uwqtZo

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2013-09-01 06:08:19

don't do anything at all....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2yQLXTuctA

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2013-09-01 06:13:00

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Poster: huntr Date: Aug 31, 2013 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

FREEEBIIRRD!

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 31, 2013 6:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

has St. Stephen ever been yelled at a Lynyrd Skynard show?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Aug 31, 2013 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

i remember yelling "penguin in bondage" at a Zappa show, does that count?

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 31, 2013 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

"Don't Eat the Yellow Snow" at a Santana show would have been more points...

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Poster: DeadEncore Date: Sep 2, 2013 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: White Rabbbit

Looking at the title of this post, I thought it had to do with The Deads Spanish Jam and could not believe someone has chimed in yet. Is it only me that Spanish Jam is White Rabbit? At least on DP 12,